This is a conversation between me, Cari Kindl and a follower of Desteni Productions, an organization of young people who follow the “teaching” of Bernard Poolman. Katie was originally responding to my video where I suggested DP use context when using phrases like "equal as one” and "knowledge is useless". Catch phrases are inaffective and even false statements without proper contest. None of which are solutions to end suffering. This group insists love, compassion and knowledge are not useful and that being equal practical and using common sense is all that is required. They believe the emotions can be deleted but not mastered and that all that is real is the physical. According to them consciousness is not real yet, Poolman claims to be channeling Osho and Jesus. The main goal is to make people believe they have no personal power and that love is equal to and even creats hate. They state the obvious problems and suggest we are all responsible for the suffering of others. But they reject any solutions that have to do with love etc. This behavior typical of brainwashing tactics in my opinion. She is at first responding to my remark that "knowledge is power and it is how we use it that matters".

Katie Conklin (DP) ~"If knowledge were power, and we do have the "knowledge" of how to sustain every one on this planet, then it would be done. Currently, the fight for survival is the only force that is directing everyone. Knowledge is nothing without action. So knowledge in itself is not actually power. The same goes with emotions, they are related to thoughts in our minds which we utilize to support inaction. By saying "oh I really care and have compassion for the suffering" we can build up an energetic charge that makes us "feel" as though we have done all we can, but really we have done nothing by just feeling. Action is action, either you do something or you don't, emotions do not have to be involved at all, unless you need something outside of yourself to provoke you to act".~

CK~We fight for survival because governments run by the elite who control all of resources and lead us to believe we cannot survive on our own. Indigenous peoples do just fine until control freaks come in and rape them and their land. They force them to believe that they need to be managed. Who has the knowledge to sustain everyone on this planet? Average people? No they do not. If you don't know how to feed yourself you are powerless. People have to fight for survival because they have been forced to live that way by control freaks that have the knowledge and the power and want it to stay that way. Not everyone is a control freak. This struggle for independence and knowledge has been going on for thousands of years and you just pop out of the womb and say that everyone needs to be equal and that solves all the world’s problems. People are not stupid enough to believe that because they CARE for others, they are helping them. That is not what compassion is about. Once again, stating the obvious with no solution. If you don’t CARE enough to act what is the motivation? Money and power? Otherwise it is not practical to travel to Nepal to help someone when I am trying to survive here on my own land. One would have to CARE to do that. And I have.

KK~Ok, so lets say the idea of Love has been scientifically proven to assist the physical body to heal. This is very much the principle of the Law of Attraction. Many studies in quantum physics also result in the realization that what you believe can manifest in your reality. But this can go to either side of the polarity. You can believe that harming someone is what will be best for you, and this will manifest as well. So Hate has the same power as Love, and they go hand-in-hand. This is something you cannot deny if you look at how the society as a whole operates. We go to war, we kill, we manipulate others into suffering all in the name of the good of a particular group of people. We allow people to suffer because we think it has nothing to do with us as individuals, but it does, we must face what we have accepted here. "Hate has the same power as Love, and they go hand-in-hand"~

CK~Love HAS been proven to heal. It is 528HZ and it is not an action it is energy in motion, a wave that already exists with you or without you. You DO manifest your reality due to attachment to emotions and beliefs but you do NOT have to ACT on your emotions. Emotions ARE frequencies that affect us. LOVE is RELEASE. ATTACHMENT is a result of FEAR. Love does not cause you to harm someone. Acting out and on your fear of loss does. LOVE (LO PHI Wave) is balance NOT DESIRE. DESIRE is the opposite of HATE. One is repulsion and the other is possession or control. Two extremes of fear based emotions. Fear is the absence of love. Fear allows imbalance. Love is the equalizer. Love is not polar. Polarity by the way is the only way to find balance in this world. If you don't acknowledge polarity how can you find balance? I don't care if you call it love or quiggles, it is this ability to balance that is important to understand. E Motions arise from thoughts Ego decides how they play out. Love says "no I don't need jealousy because I am just as much a part of this whole as anyone else. I have equal opportunity to be what I want even if it is harder and more painful to accomplish". Love is balance and release.
Fear says "ok let’s see how many emotions can I attach to. I need to control everything and everyone". No one emotion is good or bad. It is all about balance and release of that energy. You let it arise and let it go to learn and to heal. Otherwise you learn nothing and feel nothing and you are nothing. That's fine too if you don't want to exist.
KK~"We go to war, we kill, we manipulate others into suffering all in the name of the good of a particular group of people. We allow people to suffer because we think it has nothing to do with us as individuals, but it does, we must face what we have accepted here."~

CK~This is true. I personally do not go to war, kill or intentionally cause suffering. I understand that you are saying we all need to stand up and say enough of this violence in the world but it is not enough to say it. We have to reach critical mass by spreading the word (knowledge) then we have to take action (communicate, organize, provide service) And each individual has to feel empowered. If you feel powerless you are powerless. People have been trying to do this for eons. Governments force people to go to war or brainwash them into believing they are serving a greater cause. This is control tactics. WE ALL do not go to war. You are implying that everyone behaves that way. It is only those who cannot control themselves and feel the need to control others who do this. If you believe that YOU are responsible for the wars then what are YOU doing about it? Saying "we" go to war is a generalization that does not accurately represent the general populous. Do something about it rather than telling everyone to be equal. That doesn't work.

KK~If you resolve yourself to believe that you cannot actually end suffering in this world, then it will never happen. See how that belief leads to inaction? Instead of actually looking at what you can do practically, in this lifetime, to stop all this shit going on, you will be alright with continuing on in your small existence. We can actually stop suffering in this world, but it will have to start with letting go of everything that is limiting you from acting and allowing you to be alright with the way things are. Self-honesty is seeing what is best for all, One and Equal (which are living principles if actually lived~

CK~ I have to let go, yes, of fear and so do you. I am not alright with the way things are. But how am I personally going to stop suffering in the world? Being honest with myself can mean that I honestly hate everyone. Being honest does not end suffering. It is obvious you only have one particular idea in mind when you are talking about suffering. Do you care about my migraines? Are you allowing me to suffer? I am in control of my own suffering. Suffering is not the issue ~it is a symptom of growth. It cannot be eliminated only experienced on different levels. Pain is learned and subjective. Some people don't even feel pain. Please tell me what I can personally do to end suffering in the world practically. I have no money of my own. I live in the country. Tell me what you are personally doing to end suffering. NO one else seems to be able to do this. I donate my creative abilites and knowledge (theres' that word again) to assist others in mastering their own mind and body, and if they want money I donate clothes or the music I create for them to sell, if they want food I give them our chicken eggs, if they want attention I give them attention. This is called compassion in action. By the way, compassion is not necessarily giving someone what they want or think they need. Who decides what is best for all? We are not all equal. Therefore no one thing is best for all. Love is the only equality as a solution for peace. Not having the same things or thinking the same way. Individuality and biodiversity makes the world beautiful. It is the fear and need to control others that makes it suck.

KK~"Here is a tip. Try unconditionally reading the material on Desteni. Because currently you are allowing a lot of reactions to control you. You assume that Sunette is being manipulated, out of fear of something you do not understand, but if you actually met her and saw what was being done on the farm, you would realize it is no different then anywhere else on earth, except that the people that live here are open and honest with each other. This is the first-hand experience that you are saying you base everything on, which you are not actually doing yourself. If you had read the material and watched the videos, you would understand the process of the portal and how Bernard speaks to the dimensional beings."~

CK~ If you researched my videos you would know that I live on a farm as well and I live what I teach. We grow our own food. We are peaceful. We assist others. We are honest with each other. Why would I be afraid of anything? How do you know what controls me? You don't. You refuse to believe that I HAVE watched and observed DP videos (and I have) because I don't agree with it. I am not judging anyone. I am observing behavior. How is it that I am controlled and reactionary according to you but you are not? You are responding to the video I made. You are reacting to my opinions because it doesn't reflect what you have been taught. I do not agree with your definitions. I don't have to. And you don't have to agree with mine. But I am not presuming to know what you are thinking or feeling or believe because I am not you and I don't know you. All I know is what you say. That is what I am addressing. Love is not equal to hate nor does it create hate. That statement is the result of wrong definitions. That is like saying that silence is equal to the key of C.
I understand that Bernard and Sunette claim to channel dimensional beings. This is something only they can know for certain. But then to teach that consciousness is not real is a contradiction. Anyone can channel. I do as well. But I channel higher self. This is self with balanced ego. It isn't actually higher or greater. It is just a different level of consciousness not distracted by ego. If something does not resonate with me according to my goal for balance, I discard it. It is all mind and energy. Why should any of you care about any of that if you believe that all that is real is the physical (material)? If that is the case you believe you will die without your consciousness of current self and return to nothingness (potential energy). Those who are still conscious on earth or otherwise will continue to evolve and create and expand as the universe does into greater awareness as well but higher dimensions. Bernard teaches this as he denies it. He implies multidimensional beings exist but that they are not real. They are as real as we are. We'll put it that way. This means that they are carrying their consciousness with them. They have mastered consciousness yet, he says that we cannot master consciousness, our ego and emotions. We ALL have the potential to steer ourselves into any existence. My simple message is take back your power. Self -empowerment disables control freaks who suffer from fear and imbalanced ego. Self empowerment allows you to see that there is nothing to fear so there is no need to cause suffering for others. Control freaks are NOT self empowered. That is why they feel the need to control others. Do you see that? Why would I be spreading the message of self empowerment if I were a control freak or afraid of anything? I wouldn't.