GOD did create Satan and the other Angels with Freedom of Choice (free-will). GOD did know the possibility did exist within Free-Will that any of GOD's intelligent creation (Angels or Human) could choose evil over GOD and His GODliness.
Satan's ego and desire for greater glory was growing. Satan did realize and know that he might possibly have to turn from GOD to fulfill those growing desires for greater glory.
Satan also did realize and know that if he did turn from GOD that he did not have a *Soul* through which he could possibly obtain forgiveness or attain eternal living existence within the Universe.
Satan's ego and desire had gotten the best of him... he took it upon himself to alter GOD's Planned Workings within the Universe. Satan had become puffed up in pride thinking he can do things just as good or even better than GOD. Satan caused much destruction to GOD's Planned Workings. GOD cast Satan out-of-Heaven.
GOD never stopped loving Satan (GOD hates the sin, not the sinner). This action GOD had to take, hurt GOD deeply. GOD knew Satan had no remorse. GOD also knew He could never trust Satan again.
The folly of an Angel does have a far greater affect and effect upon GOD's Planned Workings within the Universe, than the folly of any Planetary Individual upon a Planet. Angels that do choose to folly can never become Forgiven, nor ever be trusted again within GOD's Universe.
To whom much is given, much is expected.
There were many Fallen Angels who chose to follow Satan into perdition.
The Fallen Angels were cast-out-of-Heaven, but they still have much of their powers and abilities.
GOD did not want for those powers or abilities to become united, so GOD did restrict (chain) the Fallen Angels to the same geographical areas in the Universe where they did choose to folly.
Satan being the Leader of the Fallen Angels who chose to follow him into perdition was the only Fallen Angel that could control all the other Fallen Angels, and what they did or would possibly do.
Therefore, GOD permitted Satan to travel the Universe to make sure that all the other Fallen Angels throughout the Universe were controlled and did not overstep their allowed bounds/restrictions.
If this did happen, then GOD would become forced to make an end to them and their existence.
Something GOD did not want or desire to do.
Angels have been created with both Physical and Spiritual abilities. They can be either Physical or Spiritual at their own discretion. They can enter the Physical or Spiritual realm.
Fallen Angels **have not** lost this ability when they chose to leave their first estate (Heaven- total allegiance to GOD) following Satan into perdition.
Fallen Angels do have restrictions/boundaries given to them by GOD. If a Fallen Angel continues to rebel by going outside those restrictions/boundaries, GOD then takes away his ability to be physical.
A Fallen Angel then becomes what is known as a... Demon (or Entity).
That Fallen Angel is then forced to exist as a mere spiritual Being in the spiritual realm waiting on GOD's Final Judgment.
Not all Fallen Angels have lost their ability to be physical. Many Fallen Angels can still be either physical or spiritual at any given time.
GOD does allow Satan to travel throughout the Universe, but is watched very closely at all times. Satan does nothing without GOD's permission.
After being cast-out-of-Heaven, Satan does desire and begin seeking his own glory and kingdom.
Satan realized and knew that he could not establish a kingdom unto Good and GODliness within the Universe, because that is GOD.
Satan knew he could still possibly carve-out his own kingdom for habitation within the Universe in ways other than that of GODliness. A kingdom of evil and ungodliness did become his passion.
Satan did embark upon pathways within his own given abilities and powers that would offer himself his own kingdom through the introduction of sin upon Planetary Societies within the Universe.
Satan does try to introduce sin upon GODly Planets during their early development. He does become successful upon some, and fail upon others. Once Satan does become successful in seducing the GODly Individuals unto ungodliness, Satan does seek deeper blindness for the Planetary Society and its Inhabitants.
Satan's main agenda and goal is to steal GOD from the hearts and minds of GOD's Planetary Children. Satan will do whatever it takes to become successful in complete destruction (physical and spiritual) of as many Planetary Individuals as possible by blinding Planetary Individuals of GOD, GOD's GODliness, and the *Way* to Exist Eternally.
Satan's agenda is to steal, kill, and destroy:
1. The Children's faith in GOD Himself and GOD *Is* Jesus Christ from the hearts, minds and souls of GOD's Planetary Children.
2. The Children's trust in GOD Himself and GOD *Is* Jesus Christ from the hearts, minds and souls of GOD's Planetary Children.
3. The Children's trust and faith in GOD's written *Word* (Holy Bible) from the hearts, minds and souls of GOD's Planetary Children.
4. The Children's love for GOD Himself, GOD *Is* Jesus Christ, and love for one another from the hearts, minds and souls of GOD's Planetary Children.
5. The Children's specialty unto GOD from the hearts, minds and souls of GOD's Planetary Children.
Satan uses the seduction of lies and half-truths to accomplish this feat of destruction. Satan does know for any lie to last for any length of time (many many year) it must contain some truth.
Satan begins laying his plan of destruction shortly after Mankind's fall. While Mankind's existence as Planetary Individuals is short lived, Satan's plan and introduction of lies to blind Planetary
Individuals continues to grow throughout generations.
Satan does begin laying the ground work and foundation for his End-Of-Times deception within the first generations upon Wayward Planets.
Satan does begin establishing his End-Time deception through mimicking GOD. Satan does begin establishing his own Kingdom of Children through a wayward science/technology known as... Cloning.
The cloned children of the Fallen Angels themselves have also created clones.
Satan does use his cloned kingdom of children to deceive future generations of Earth. A deception that Satan does use upon all Wayward Planets during their End-Of-Times before Jesus does return for the members of His Church (True-to-Faith Christians).
Satan's agenda is to deceive Mankind into believing his kingdom of children are someone other than who they are.
Satan's End-Of-Times deception can be sighted today on Earth as the... Alien/Ufo Phenomenon.
The "Aliens" (Extraterrestrial-Ufo's) are disguised children of the Fallen Angels (clones) deceiving Mankind with lying signs and wonders.
They are NOT space-brothers (observers, inter-planetary scientists) from other Worlds here to help Mankind, nor are they Mankind's creator like they would have and want many to believe. They (Fallen Angels/"Aliens") are ALL evil Beings with the same agenda to take the Knowledge of GOD Himself, GOD *Is* Jesus Christ, and Salvation for Eternal Living Life from the hearts, souls, and minds of GOD's Planetary Children.
The Fallen Angels are using their clones to deceive Mankind into believing they are Beings from different worlds that are no different then Planetary Individuals themselves.
The Children of the Fallen Angels themselves have been created with much of the same powers and abilities as the Fallen Angels. They must obey the same given mandates by GOD, or suffer the same punishment as their creator parents (Fallen Angels).
The Fallen Angels/"Aliens" want Wayward Planetary Individuals to:
-1- Look to Self (not GOD)... promoting higher spiritual awareness.
-2- Not see sin as sin.
-3- Believe they are here to help Mankind, not to destroy Mankind.
-4- See no need for Salvation through GOD *Is* Jesus Christ.
-5- Discredit the Bible... claiming Biblical occurrences were previous visitations.
-6- Believe they are the GOD that created Man.
The Fallen Angels/"Aliens" will lead Wayward Individuals to look upon them as saviours and prophets (Matthew.24:24)... They are (master) liars and very experienced deceivers.
The Fallen Angels/"Aliens" will try to discredit the Bible and GOD *Is* Jesus Christ with a lie so convincing that it will actually look like proof to many.
Mankind of Earth is being desensitized, especially the young ones with Alien/Ufo movies, Alien/Ufo commercials, Alien/Ufo cartoons, Alien/Ufo games, Alien/Ufo toys etc.
The Fallen Angels/"Aliens" abduct & experiment on Wayward Planetary Individuals:
1. To deceive with misinformation and disinformation of their true intent.
2. To deceive with misinformation and disinformation of who they truly are.
3. Experiment- in hopes of finding the secret to GOD's creation of a *Soul*.
Children of GOD are the only creation afforded a *Soul*. The *Soul* is the vehicle to obtain forgiveness and attain Eternal Living Life.
Angels were not created with a *Soul*. Angels had no need for a *Soul*. Angels were created Eternal Beings. The need for a *Soul* came after the fall.
The Fallen Angels/"Aliens" hope to create (clone) for themselves a body with a *Soul* that will get them out of their perdicament of Final Judgment by GOD.
Knowing Jesus Christ *Is* GOD and calling on Him with unfeigned faith will protect Planetary Individuals from any type of abduction (physical or spiritual) from these Evil Beings. For there is Power in the Name of Jesus Christ.
The Fallen Angels/"Aliens" have not yet made open public contact with Earth's Individuals because GOD will not allow such to take place until His Planned Workings are in place and complete. GOD will be allowing a Sky Visual introduction sooner than most think. This will take place before Jesus does return for the members of His Church (born-again Christians).
A time of testing the faith of Believers.
Many will fall from faith and believe the flood of lies to come (I Timothy 4:1).
Individuals are spiritually starving. Sadly, many will go to great extents to find or get (spiritual) food even if it kills them. This deception will lead many with open-arms to accept the lies, signs and wonders, and gifts the Fallen Angels/"Aliens" offer. Those that do choose to accept the Fallen Angels/"Aliens" will become enslaved and most dependent on the Fallen Angels/"Aliens" and what they offer.
Fallen Angels/"Aliens" are using the Human emotions of love and kindness to seduce Earth's Planetary Individuals.
A Trojan Horse that many will not sight until to late. (Mark 13:22, I Timothy 4:1)
Mankind must not ignore the abductions and gruesome experimentation done to their fellow Humans (men, woman, & children), no matter what excuse the "Aliens"/Fallen Angels give.
There is no such thing as a "good alien" and "bad alien". Don't be deceived!
They ("Aliens"/Fallen Angels) All have the same agenda and will take any measure (allowed by GOD) to hide their true intent and hate for ALL Planetary Children created by GOD.
(Luke 11:22, Matt.24:24, Jeremiah 8:17, Isaiah 14:29, I Timothy 4:1, Psalms 78:49, Hebrews 13:2,
II Cor.11:14-15, 2 Thess. 2:11, Galatians 1:8, Revelations 9:19)
Satan knows that any sought after demise of Mankind on Earth can only become truly successful with the demise of Jews and Christians both. Satan does seek to pit the Jews against the Christians, and visa-versa in any possible way.
Satan seeks to keep Judaism and Christianity in question.
Jewish and Christian religion do hold the key for attaining any GODly Individual from upon Planet Earth.
Jewish and Christian religion is the only religion that GOD did Personally initiate and establish the actuality of Himself, His GODliness, and His Personal Salvation unto Eternal Living Life for the attaining of true Sons/Daughters of GOD.
Christians must not allow themselves to be deceived into becoming a tool for the Workings of Satan. For it is Satan that does seek to destroy all avenues to GOD (including Community Churches).
Christians must sight the authors of confusion for who and what they are, and their agenda to lead GOD's Planetary Children away from GOD Himself, GOD's GODliness (Jesus Christ) and into perdition (destruction and demise).
Your soul has been enlightened with the light of truth, the spirit of God wants to opened your eyes so let them see whats happening now, what's in our midst. Open your eyes to see that the true identity of the "GFL" is God's Fallen Light.
August 5, 2010, 12:45 pm
We are ALL made to be the very mirror of Divinity, and you have been crowned with divine imagination and intelligence, to use for the highest good of everyone. We are all children of God, all sisters and brothers, spread love not fear, that's what our beloved brother and teacher Jesus simply came to do.
One can only have a good, hard belly laugh at the sheer absurdity and wonder of it all!
Infinite love and light...OMni
This “Truth” Has Been Known Since Age 5. Tossed Out By Age 9.
August 5, 2010, 5:51 am
silver714 Quotes: “TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN....”
“Now you cannot say you didn't know.”
“This message is from the Holy Spirit the Son of God! Do you not know why He came and died for you?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16”
I doubt that there are many on this site that aren’t aware that Christian based religions believe that Jesus died for our sins, but I can only speak for myself.
Personally, I’ve been aware of this concept (John 3:16) as well as the rest of what goes along w/ it (born inherently flawed sinners, only redeemed by God’s grace, fearful of hell, obedience to a superior parental deity, crummy earthly live rewarded by entrance to heaven) since I was a very small child & could comprehend religious concepts. I would guess this began about 5 years old. By another 5 years I had rejected this as well as most of organized religions’ dogma when it just didn’t sit right w/ me. Never will. I moved past organized religion’s beliefs before I had ever been exposed to any other spiritual beliefs. Now as an adult I have had the opportunity to learn that many other spiritual concepts exist.
You have the right to believe this or whatever you choose. Others have the same EXACT right to differing beliefs.
It is my truth that we were NOT born sinners, that Jesus was a wonderful teacher, that Jesus’ death isn’t tied into my “sins”, that we are the manifestation of the universal energy of source/god/prime creator exploring physicality, & that we are delightful beings who are in full loving partnership w/ the Universe. The difference is that I’m not the least bit interested if you believe this or in pushing my belief on others. I will, however, stand up for my right to believe whatever I choose & not be bullied into believing what others imagine are their superior spiritual beliefs.
Organized religion tends to hold the view that new agers are naive & misguided or at best just unaware of what the truth is. I can assure you that I have an extensive background in organized religion’s concepts & am hardly naive or impaired in my ability to thoughtfully consider these issues. The view that new agers don’t have the ability to make reasoned choices about spirituality is quite arrogant & disrespectful.
silver714 Quote: “I am the neutralizer, the restorer of balance, I cannot be deceived and tell you this.”
This is very, very omniscient.
TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN....
August 5, 2010, 3:15 am
Now you cannot say you didn't know.
I am the neutralizer, the restorer of balance, I cannot be deceived and tell you this.
This message is from the Holy Spirit the Son of God! Do you not know why He came and died for you?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
LOL...I Want To Speak
August 5, 2010, 2:33 am
LOL...I want to speak directly to the butcher not the block or I want to talk to the organ grinder not the monkey. I also hated the concept of eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ...felt like a cannibal...the church is still glorifying and satisfying a ritualistic blood lust of ancient human sacrifice. Who are more evolved beings in this equation? HELLO...!!!!
Beloved Sen Sa Mei.... I Was
August 4, 2010, 8:14 pm
Beloved Sen Sa Mei.... I was so much like you at the young teen age... I also did not like the worshiping of death, and the blood rituals, "drinking the blood of Jesus" (no wonder there are so many vampire movies out!) Worshiping the death of Jesus never made sense to me. I failed in my Catholic school once when the nun asked me "What date is the most important in teh life of jesus?" I said his birth. She faile me for the real answer was his death and resurrection. I argued that if he was not born the later would not exist.... ah a child's logic, so pure, eh?!!
To me religion is a man/womankinds way of trying to explain our Spiritualy. Spirituality extends far beyond any and all relgions. I was very devote in my catholic time period and even more devote now, yet it is without bounds and direct, like you expressed. It feels so pure and true and right for me!
I know in my grown up heart that our way of going direct is just what Jeshua was teaching us!
RELIGIOUS FEAR PORN
August 4, 2010, 4:00 pm
All I want to do is reconnect with the DIRECT & DIVINE purity of the God consciousness, without and within, considering the meaning of religion is to reconnect, so I guess that makes me 'religious' to some extent. I just don't want anyone else interferring in my personal relationship with MY GOD, I just can't handle the dogma that is associated with most religious doctrines. I watched a show on Oz TV the other night on the ABC, Compass, which explores various definations of religious denominations (you may be familiar with the programme). Cherie Blair (former UK PM's, Tony Blair's wife) who is a devout Catholic, was trying to understand why RC followers were abandoning the church in droves. It made me think...you see, I had a very strict Catholic upbringing, went to Catholic schools, went to mass and took communion every Sunday, went to confession on Saturday afternoon to confess all my sins, like I stole a lolly from my sister, sometimes I used to even make up sins so I had something to confess in the confessional lol, afterall I had to be GUILTY of something. I did as every good Catholic child should do, blah blah. I left the church in my early teens, the reason being...I was sitting in mass one day with my family, parroting and rote reciting the prayers etc. when I realised that none of this really meant anything to me. I started to look around the cathedral, and it dawned on me, when I gazed at the 'stages of the cross' being the Passion of Christ's death. I thought OMG...the horror, the violence, the blood and guts...how can a human HATE so much to do this to another human...and yet the Church glorifies and worships this. Now, everytime I see the figure of Christ on the crucifix (mind you...some of these displays can be very explicit) with his open wounds and blood streaming from them, it offends me greatly, as the only thing we are being indoctinated into and desensitised to, is the concept of fear, violence, hate, pain and suffering. Let's face it...as a responsible parent, would you let your infant watch 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' over and over again? I doubt it. But that is akin to what I felt like I was exposed to as a young Catholic child going to mass every Sunday. Why does organised Christianity keep reinforcing and celebrating the doctrine of a divine and beautiful being, who was so humble and impoverished that he was born in a mere stable and through speaking his TRUTH of peace, unconditional love, compassion and forgiveness, and for mere political reasons he was ultimately tortured and put to a horrendous death. In other words...I think they're sublimely suggesting...'Look here you minions...if you dare speak your own TRUTH, other than what we have taught you...this too can happen to you'. Ultimate control...to keep the masses submissive and subserviant. To divide and conquer...I celebrate the goodness of Christ's word...likewise, also the direct message's of the other Ascended Masters.
Vatican OK With ETs
August 4, 2010, 8:08 am
Several articles about the Vatican officially announcing that ETs aren't inconsistent w/ their beliefs. Father Funes, the Vatican astronomer gave an interview titled, "The Extraterrestrial Is My Brother." Fr. Funes interview is at the below link.
“Father Funes, who took over as head of the observatory in 2006, denied that the existence of other intelligent life-forms would contradict Christian belief.
As there exist many creatures on earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God,” he said. “This doesn’t contradict our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God. To say it as St. Francis [of Assisi], if we consider some earthly creatures as ‘brother’ and ‘sister,’ why couldn’t we also talk of an ‘extraterrestrial brother’? He would also belong to creation.”
I Was Raised Catholic, And
August 4, 2010, 4:36 am
I was raised Catholic, and what I took away with me before I quit at about age 11 was what Jeshua told us to "Love one another"... and that has sustained me through all "trials and tribulations"... it has allowed me to look past the written details of such long accounts that really mean very little to me. What I look at is the beauty within all people.
To me it is ONLY important to love and LOVE MORE!! I love Satan, I love Jesus, I love Aliens and I love stupid people, and I love all religions and I love all lack of religion. I no longer wish to review or judge others, for it is like bitting my own tail after running in circles for days....
Love allows me to look at all sides first before trying to unravle strange complexities.
A strange complexity is like... why did God make Satan so strong, wise and crafty and to have a propensity for lust of power? God wanted to engange altercations... in many christian terms they tend to make God sound like he really would have a big battle on hims hands, and yet to me God is so grand, great that no offspring of God could even push "a hair on God's scalp over with all their might". I do not understand why anyone thinks "so little of God", Creator Source, or whatever someone might call All That IS. I just do not see it. If God had hair or a finger, I see that God would just use a pinky finger and knock his child Satan over which would make Satan cry and say he was sorry.
People use Satan as a proxy for their own mis-deeds.
I see Love in all things, even the hardships I have endured. I want my life simple and not full of so many metaphors, stories and details of others lives that appear to me as some type of judgement and gossip. They did wrong and they did right stuff, just gossip.
I want to do things that matter, help people, teach children love and such. If there is some type of cosmic war, Let God whoop some glutious maximus...
Love One Another!!!!
August 4, 2010, 1:38 am
I was raised by Southern Baptist parents in the US Bible Belt. The disempowering rhetoric of organized religion is very easy for me to recognize. Early on I got a big view of the hell & damnation fire & brimstone rhetoric. By the age of 9 I had rejected much of that fear based spirituality even though everyone around me considered it to be the truth.
Organized religion often tries to intimidate us w/ using the Bible as infallible history, but this is very problematic for them as serious biblical scholars have long openly discussed how the Bible is mostly allegory.
I have to wonder how many LWs are on organized religion sites telling them their beliefs aren’t valid? Hmmm?
August 3, 2010, 8:23 pm
Neffrin Quote :The Fallen Angels/"Aliens" will lead Wayward Individuals to look upon them as saviours and prophets (Matthew.24:24)... They are (master) liars and very experienced deceivers.
Seems to me new agers are viewed here as "wayward individuals"....fortunately it's my waywardness that led me to question "EVERY RELIGIOUS BELIEF" thank God I did..I'm certainly a much better person for it.
August 3, 2010, 8:14 pm
Very interesting discussion.! Count on Mattie to decipher and pick apart bit by bit...Nice approach Mattie and quite helpful to me as I come up against bible toting scripture quoting religious individuals whose only defense is to repeat exactly what is already written. Kudos to you!
Much love and light to u Neffrin..thanks for opening this discussion.
August 3, 2010, 12:00 pm
Quote "and even though many think themselves spiritual"
TRUTH IS....WE ARE ALL SPIRITUAL! It's who we really are, it's not dogma, or a religion, or people outside/inside the bible-believing community.....it's innately what we all are!!
Again... any message that seperates no longer resonates.
We are ONE!
August 3, 2010, 11:29 am
Neffrin Quote: “I don't understand why so many people can post blogs or teachings about almost anything on this site and it is accepted as freedom of opinion...but mention God or Jesus and suddenly it is unacceptable unless it passes through a new age filter. “
News flash- this is a new age site!
Beliefs of many kinds are openly discussed & disagreed w/ on this site. Challenging beliefs isn’t isolated to organized religions’ view of God or Jesus. Many new age beliefs are very in sync w/ Jesus’ genuine teachings. The new age God is one of LOVE.
That many view God & Jesus in a context outside of the context of the Bible isn’t unusual. Many new age beliefs are very in sync w/ Jesus’ genuine teachings. The new age God is one of LOVE. The Christ energy & the creator energy of source/god/prime creator or the Universe is discussed all the time on this site.
Organized religion can view Jesus & God however they want.
New Agers have the exact same right that is just as valid.
Seems to say that new agers don’t have the right to their different views. Those who only accept a view of God or Jesus unless it passes through organized religion’s filter seem to take offense at new agers having different beliefs. Well, get used to it as many have rejected the dogma of organized religion & they aren’t going back.
This type of unwillingness to examine the Bible, criticizing those who openly discuss why it is problematic is why many have left organized religion. Serious Christian biblical scholars have long acknowledged that most of the Bible is allegory. Retired Episcopalian Bishop John Shelby Spong, a proponent of organized religion & Christianity, has written some excellent discussions about why organized religion MUST get back to the real message of God & Jesus if it is to survive.
Spong’s site, A New Christianity for a New World is:
Neffrin Quote: “Every belief system that has ever existed will have writers and commentary for and against, so to attempt to speak with authority when it's little more than passing along another person's opinion is less than authoritative IMO.”
This speaking authoritatively about beliefs also applies to the original post. When a person’s belief is disrespected as invalid, it is usually called just their “opinion” as opposed to the disrespecting person’s opinion which they regard as a superior “belief.”
Neffrin Quote: “For example, the quote: "It is well known that the Bible was HIGHLY manipulated by the religious-political merged bureaucracy of the Roman empire." That is pure conjecture attempting to be presented as a statement of fact.”
It is simple history that the Roman empire merged religion & politics to brutally control its citizenry, quashing the old earth religions & that this merged state + religion remained for pattern for centuries. To deny this is laughable, but suit yourself by choosing whatever version of history you desire.
“Most of western religion stems from the Bible, focusing on Jesus’ teachings. Jesus’ original teachings & actions were a unity message that sought to erase caste inequalities, including genders prejudices. His original message was quickly distorted by those who had their own religious & political agendas. Retired Episcopalian Bishop John Spong’s book, “Jesus For the Non-Religious” reviews Jesus’ true message before it was distorted by the religious/political bureaucracy.” (Spong would hardly be considered a new age author.)
“Spong discusses the evolution of what we know know as the Bible. “Most Christians seem to assume that the details of their faith system dropped out of heaven in a fully developed form. Nothing could be further from the truth. The creeds began as baptismal formulas in the 3rd century and did not receive the shape we now recognize until the 4th century. Doctrines like the Trinity and Incarnation were still being formed in the 5th century.
Moving closer to the life of Jesus, scholars now suggest that miracles were added to the Jesus story only in the 7th and 8th decades of the Christian era. The Virgin birth and the suggestion that resurrection meant physical resuscitation are products of the 9th decade, and the account of Jesus' ascension enters the tradition only in the 10th decade. Perhaps the biggest gap in our knowledge of Jesus, however, occurs in those years between 30 C.E. when Jesus' earthly life came to an end and 70 C.E. when gospels began to achieve written form. Today, by lining up the gospels in chronological order with Mark first (ca. 70 C.E.), then Matthew (ca. 80 C.E.), Luke (ca 90 C.E.) and finally John (ca 100 C.E.), we can see how the miraculous was heightened; the details become more graphic and supernatural activity more pronounced.”
“The conclusion of the scholars of the Jesus Seminar, for example, was that only 16% of the sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels are actually authentic, accurate portrayals of what Jesus really said. The other 84% are words read into the Jesus of history by an interpreting community during the oral period. Much of what the gospels call the acts of Jesus fall into a similar statistical spread.”
In early 300AD Roman emperor Constantine cleverly co-opted both the old Pagan religions & the new burgeoning Christian religion that the previous ruthless emperor Nero had been unable to eliminate. Constantine likely commissioned these official bibles to supplant several Christian works that had been circulated for the last 200 years, thus co-opting the power of this movement. While Constantine is lauded as the emperor who institutionalized Christianity his moves were likely primarily political ones to control potential political insurgents & entrench his control via religion. It was essential to separate the people from their innate divinity & power as expansive empowering beliefs weren’t conducive to maintaining control over a disempowered citizenry.
In 331 Constantine commissioned the first Christian bibles. While the Church set religious policy, the Roman emperors were the enforcers of this, viewing their role as being responsible to God. This gave the emperor considerable political power under the guise of rooting out heresy.
Many of the older Pagan practices, stories, & religious dates were overlaid w/ Christian ones. Although Paganism wasn’t formally outlawed, Constantine was increasing hostile towards the old religions, only funding the Christian religion he promoted. As a ruler, it was much easier to control & manipulate the centralized Christianity than the older decentralized Pagan religions. In 380 another Roman emperor outlawed other faiths, closed Pagan temples, & made Christianity the official state religion.
One of the devices used to establish Constantine’s religious authority was his mother, Helen, supposedly found the 3 crosses Jesus & the 2 thieves were crucified on as revealed by a miracle, even identifying which cross was Jesus’. Given that any who questioned this information could be executed for heresy this mythology wasn’t questioned & worked nicely to establish Constantine’s religious credentials.
The church continued as a political-religious bureaucracy for centuries even though rulers were sufficiently savvy to attempt to maintain a distance between state & religion. State controlled religion was a very effective tool in keeping their population completely terrified because they capriciously changed official doctrine regularly, using this as an excuse to execute those who they instantly deemed heretics. These citizens were completely vulnerable to persecution w/ very few options other than a coup d’état which, if not successful resulted in their immediate execution.
We have very good reason to treasure our modern ability to openly question & discuss spiritual concepts as well as choose whatever spiritual beliefs suit us in many of this planet’s countries
w/o fear of retribution. Religious hatred to justify genocide & ethnic cleansing is still being justified in various countries by those who peddle hate of cultures that have different religious traditions, but not on nearly as capricious & brutal of a scale as 5 – 20 centuries ago.
Virtually all of the religions that stemmed from this early church including the Protestant ones have used many devices to successfully control us including hatred & fear of other beliefs, guilt, belief that we are innately flawed & sinful, instituting their belief (or attempting to) as the official state religion, requiring payments (tithes), demonizing women (picking the apple, causing the fall of man), & fear of hell. Considerable effort was used to separate us from our innate spirituality to convince us that we needed organized religions’ connection to the universal spiritual energies of source/god/prime creator.
The concept of a paternalist God was one of the devices used for centuries to convince us that we are powerless inept children to the all powerful creator rather than encourage us to step into our rightful role of being capable co-creators. Half of the population was immediately disempowered by excluding women from any significant spiritual position. Many religions still exclude women from meaningful positions & this sends a powerful message. A parental creator that necessitates god’s gift of redemption not to suffer in the horrors of hell is a disempowering mainstay of organized religion. All messages that grant us spirituality as gifts by any entity or event (ascension) are inherently disempowering, continuing this belief of our needing the another entity’s largess for spiritual progress.
This disempowerment was used very effectively for centuries & still has a hold on many. The spiritual falsehoods that we accepted as truths were used to convince us to keep our frequency very low for centuries by feeling inferior & keeping us doubting self & remaining fearful.”
“Spong comments on some of the flawed Bible texts:
“John Shelby Spong on the Terrible Texts of the Bible
RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY: "No one comes to the Father but by me" (John 14:6) This text has helped to create a world where adherents of one religion feel compelled to kill adherents of another. A veritable renaissance of religious terror now confronts us and is making against us the claims we have long made against religious traditions different from our own.
ANTI-SEMITISM: And the people answered, 'His blood be on us and on our children'" (Matt. 27:25) No other verse of Holy Scripture has been responsible for so much violence and so much bloodshed. People convinced that these words conferred legitimacy and even holiness on their hostility have killed millions of Jewish people over history. Far more than Christians today seem to understand, to call the Bible "Word of God" in any sense is to legitimize this hatred reflected in its pages.
For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." (1Cor. 8-9)
The message of the Christian church was once that women are evil to their core and it was built on the story of Eve. She was taken out of man and was not his equal, but his helpmeet. Evil entered human history through the weakness of the woman. She was made to bear the blame and the guilt. She was the source of death.
The church has sought to portray Jesus as sharing an anti-female bias that includes a commitment to celibacy. But there is a repressed tradition that counters this teaching, in the story of Mary, the sister of Martha, anointing Jesus' feet (John 12:1-8). The only thing that would have made such an act acceptable in that day is the knowledge she was his wife.
CORPORAL PUNISHMENT: "Do not withhold discipline from a child....If you beat him with a rod, you will save his life from Sheol" (Prov. 23:13, 14) It validates our own violence, since when we abuse others we are only acting after the example which God has set for us. God even required the crucifixion of the Son. The punishing God is thus replicated in the punishing parent, the punishing authority figure and the punishing nation. Violence is redemptive. War is justified. Bloodshed is the way of salvation. It all fits together so tightly, so neatly, and it justifies the most destructive and demeaning of human emotions.””
Appreciating Our Spiritual Progress-
Neffrin Quote: “The bible is a spiritual text and cannot be understood by intellect alone, which is why so many new age authors fall on their face when they try to publish theories about it.”
Very dismissive of “new age” authors ability to assess the Bible. Many of those who have new age beliefs have a very extensive knowledge about the Bible having come from organized religion. To assess others’ spiritual level in this manner is very omniscient. More hostility towards new agers that is typical of organized religions’ intolerance of other beliefs.
Neffrin Quote: “I accept opinions when people present them. I may not agree, but usually let them state it without telling them they're wrong unless I have a factual basis to support it, or sense an dark agenda being pushed. ... If you've never read it through spiritual eyes you will not see it as it is meant to be seen, and even though many think themselves spiritual, ... God must impart the discernment, otherwise it's an exercise in interpretation through personal cleverness.”
Seems to believe their beliefs are based on fact while others are mere speculation or pushing a dark agenda. A classic device of organized religion to stereotype anything that differs from their narrow beliefs as pushing a dark agenda or being personally clever (not subservient to their beliefs).
Dismissive of others’ ability to understand the Bible. Others don’t need instructions in how to read the Bible or other religious documents. Quite presumptive in assessing who is sufficiently spiritual & who isn’t. The “exercise in interpretation through personal cleverness.” is typical of the enmity of organized religion towards others who question the Bible or explore different beliefs. Also a dig at impudent individuality daring to challenge established beliefs.
That “God must impart the discernment, otherwise it's an exercise in interpretation through personal cleverness.” infers that we don’t have innate discernment. We do. Plenty of it.
August 3, 2010, 3:14 am
Interesting information. I'll have to give it more reflection in order to digest it fully.
I don't understand why so many people can post blogs or teachings about almost anything on this site and it is accepted as freedom of opinion...but mention God or Jesus and suddenly it is unacceptable unless it passes through a new age filter. Those who dismiss this blog have no real proof that it isn't true, so it's one person's opinion vs. another. For example, the quote: "It is well known that the Bible was HIGHLY manipulated by the religious-political merged bureaucracy of the Roman empire." That is pure conjecture attempting to be presented as a statement of fact. I know of many theological studies that strongly disagree with that assertion, so if this post is being challenged then that opinion must certainly be challenged, especially when it is the easier claim to rebut. Every belief system that has ever existed will have writers and commentary for and against, so to attempt to speak with authority when it's little more than passing along another person's opinion is less than authoritative IMO.
I accept opinions when people present them. I may not agree, but usually let them state it without telling them they're wrong unless I have a factual basis to support it, or sense an dark agenda being pushed. The bible is a spiritual text and cannot be understood by intellect alone, which is why so many new age authors fall on their face when they try to publish theories about it. If you've never read it through spiritual eyes you will not see it as it is meant to be seen, and even though many think themselves spiritual, that self-title in an of itself does not impart discernment when it comes to this particular text - that applies to people both inside and outside the bible-believing community. God must impart the discernment, otherwise it's an exercise in interpretation through personal cleverness.
Peace to all.
Not Here To Change Your Beliefs.......
August 3, 2010, 1:38 am
Just here to give you heads up of whats coming. You're free to take it or leave it. Its your free will. Now, you can't say you didn't know.
Organized Religions' Fear Mongering About Satan
August 2, 2010, 11:52 pm
I agree w/ fun art about being very suspect of the entire fallen angel story. That we have had this excursion in physicality to experience duality doesn’t necessarily mean the fallen angel/Satan story is valid.
Many Christian biblical scholars have determined that much of what is in the Bible is allegory. It is well known that the Bible was HIGHLY manipulated by the religious-political merged bureaucracy of the Roman empire.
Appreciating Our Spiritual Progress-
The concept of Satan & demons & the threat of being sent to spend eternity in HELL were things used to scare the you know what out of us! Worked quite nicely for centuries, but now people are finally just not buying this old tired rhetoric, realizing that, YES, they can trust their self & move past the fear mongering about hell. We were told that demons & Satan were more powerful than us to try to convince us to stay fearful in permanent victim mode as this works very well to insure we NEVER attain any meaningful level of enlightenment. We now know that the negative energies are NOT more powerful than us & we can actually deal w/ them easily.
This article is loaded w/ organized religion’s beliefs such as “total allegiance to GOD”, “Satan's ego and desire had gotten the best of him... (Rhetoric to convince us to doubt our self.).
Quote: “Satan also did realize and know that if he did turn from GOD that he did not have a *Soul* through which he could possibly obtain forgiveness or attain eternal living existence within the Universe.”
This type of rigid process is unlikely. If there are fallen angels, it is likely that they still retain their core energies or soul, otherwise they wouldn’t exist. Just what mechanism do we suppose they are using if they have had their soul removed? This is fearful dogma that just doesn’t hold up to reasonable consideration. It is also likely that Satan would always have the option to change its course. This portrays rejecting God as resulting in the punitive measure of having our soul eliminated. Very worn out old testament vengeance stuff.
Quote: “Satan's main agenda and goal is to steal GOD from the hearts and minds of GOD's Planetary Children.”
Infers we are vulnerable & powerless. Organized religion trades heavily on the concept that we are children to place us in an inferior position to the more powerful parental God. Utter rubbish that contends we aren’t in control of what is in our hearts & minds. To underscore this, ad nauseum repetition is used in #1-5. Ad nauseum repetition is frequently used w/ weak arguments.
Quote: “Satan's End-Of-Times deception can be sighted today on Earth as the... Alien/Ufo Phenomenon. The "Aliens" (Extraterrestrial-Ufo's) are disguised children of the Fallen Angels (clones) deceiving Mankind with lying signs and wonders.”
Attempts to convince us to be fearful of ETs. BIG Yawn.
I am really curious why you are on a LW site. Surely you are aware that these beliefs aren’t in sync w/ LW ones.
You have the right to have whatever beliefs you choose.
Others have the exact same right to their own beliefs that differ from yours.
You seem to be very invested in changing others’ beliefs.
If Satan Knows The Order Of
August 2, 2010, 8:22 pm
If Satan knows the order of the universe and that all eventually returns to ONE, then why attempt an exercise in futility??
The EGO is a 3D, duality mechanism in the program, it is not a universal truth it is all an illusion, surely "Satan" knows this.
Do agree that nothing happens without God's permission, so could it not be that the "fallen angels" agreed to play a role to expand consciousness based on a experiment in duality, all in accordance to ALL THAT IS? To create a place where we voluntarily come and learn and grow and expand?
How difficult is this role for ones who come from light, and oneness?
We are all ONE...any message that seperates, no longer resonates.
August 2, 2010, 7:54 pm
please do not write as FACT. we are all open to our free-will.. All that you can imagine is real. There is no limit to the imagination. Extra-terrestial beings can be of fallen light.. however, I believe that not all are involved in this.... We all choose our own path. I will say this, however. The ONLY way to really follow the path to God is to keep an open mind and choose him. aliens/E.T.'s WILL be involved in the near future. Use your judgement and discernment with caution, stay on the path to our Creator and Master and you will find peace.. You may find the help you need.. If you remain closed minded on ANY task or thought and remain steadfast in your belief then you may lose out on some awesome help along the way. I say all of this as a loving opinion and never will state anything that I know or feel is a FACT. No one on this earth in physical form is given FACTS in any of this.. even channelers or people in direct contact. This is meant to help us choose, but keeps all on the univeral law of free-will given by God himself. Even prophets speak with discernment.
Satan Is An Earthly
August 2, 2010, 5:43 pm
Satan is an earthly metaphor... I no longer believe in Satan or being a fallen angel story... and yet it does give us something to work with and to live our lives through choice. It is the stories we tell each other that helps us to transform ourselves. Ones that stick around have substance!