"FROM BINDELOF TO THE MAIMONIDES DREAM TELEPATHY LABORATORY: AN INTERVIEW WITH MONTAGUE ULLMAN" by MARK A. SCHROLL. Published in, The Paranormal Review, 47 (July), 3-7, 2008.
Those of you interested in reading this interview can write to me at [email protected] and I will send a free copy of it to you via email.
THIS INTERVIEW took place in Montague Ullman’s home in Ardsley, New York, March 26, 2008. He was recovering from a mild stroke that he had suffered ten days earlier, so in many ways this interview was a therapeutic process of remembering. We were joined by Judy Gardiner and Adam Rock, who mostly listened to our wide-ranging discussion. This article will concentrate on the events that led up to Ullman’s experimental work on dream telepathy.
Stanley Krippner summed up the importance of this continuing inquiry into dream telepathy by saying, "The work Montague Ullman and I have done on dream telepathy over the years could be explained by David Bohm’s concept of the implicate order. Currently Monte is devoting most of his time to bringing the work of Bohm into an exposition of entangled minds, dream telepathy and the like" (Stanley Krippner, 2007).
Most significant is the continuing work examining Ullman's "New Abode for Dreaming" and its relationship to David Bohm's implicate order, as I say more about below.
Montague Ullman (1916-2008) passed away on Saturday 7th June at 1 p.m., having suffered a second stroke on 5th June, just three days after reading and approving this interview. Thankfully, we were able to finish this. Left unfinished is a longer conversation with Monte that goes into his search for a new abode for dreaming, which was inspired by the holistic or transpersonal physics of David Bohm. I was hoping to go over this longer conversation with Monte in another meeting in late July, 2008. This longer conversation also includes a discussion of David Shainberg’s “non-deterministic” psychotherapy – also influenced by Bohm’s work. Shainberg was a long-time friend of Monte’s and the person that made it possible for Ullman’s 1974 meeting with Bohm in London. All this will be coming out in a future article.
A Very Interesting Question: Dream Telepathy & Astral Travel
February 9, 2009, 7:05 pm
First, pardon my long absence. The past five months I have been working on putting together "The Rhine On-Line: Institute for Consciousness Studies Newsletter," sponsored by the Rhine Research Center. http://www.rhine.org. My first issue just came out a few days ago (plus the past year I've also been organizing "Bridging Nature & Human Nature" in Portland, Oregon, which there is a link to this on my blogs).
Second, I know that Montague Ullman would have enjoyed this question that you raise about whether or not dream telepathy and astral travel are similar. Telepathy in general is the idea of a "mind to mind" connection, where there is an "extra sensory perception" of the mental processes of one person by another. Our concepts of mind or "consciousness" are continuing to change, or be talked about in different conceptual language. In a dualistic or mind is separate from body worldview (which is the view we inherited from French philosopher Rene Descartes), "something" has to travel from us to other people, places or things to get there. With the conceptual language of quantum theory and its application to consciousness studies, more people are beginning to take the view that there is a "field state of consciousness" that connects all things.
Thus in terms of "astral travel" the "soul" or "psyche" is no longer thought to be isolated or separated from "other soul's." But that as Emerson of the transcendentalist's thought, there is an "over-soul." This "over-soul" is now what we might call "the collective unconscious" in the words of Carl Gustav Jung. Still it is not so much unconscious as it is a level or state of consciousness that we are normally not aware. This is why dreaming is a good way to access these states of awareness. Nevertheless, all of these ideas and questions about "astral travel," "dream telepathy," and consciousness are still being asked. The conceptual and theoretical advances of quantum theory are still too new and have not been fully incorporated into the experimental work of parapsychologists.
Thank you for a very good question. Mark A. Schroll
November 19, 2008, 6:51 am
I am very sorry for the loss of this intellectual mind.
I am intrigued by his idea of dream telepathy. Isn't it that same thing as astral travel??